soul-selling and ultimate deviousness
Would you buy a juvenile book, both in genre and disposition, from an author who wrote freely of her aspirational extracurricular lesbianism? I’m not referring to the lesbianism of the french-tipped press-on nail variety. I’m thinking more along the lines of very large, very hot pots of sisterly tea as well as nubby cardigans and bifocal lenses. Literary lesbianism.
Not to highlight lesbianism as some form of ultimate deviousness (unless that turns your crank). It’s just one of those comments that could make people screw up their faces if they a) don’t know me and/or b) enjoy Tony Danza and adult baptisms. And then there's the pantlessness. And my newfound Johnson, spontaneously grown after two days of intensive powertooling. Which is awesome for party tricks but disqualifies me from, you know, like-minded hot pots.
Kyran threw this one at me in 140 characters or less: curious if branding as a y.a. writer will affect online identity you've established? will young fans look you up on sweetsalty?
A perfectly reasonable question from a chick I’d totally share my hot pot with ‘cause that’s how I roll. But since I am an almost 36-year-old sophisticate, my reaction was to put my tongue between pursed lips and blow.
Naaah. I’m still gonna be all death and pricey jeans. And besides—nobody cares about the author. They’ll go to the book site and poke around there, if at all.
But wait. Really? Maybe. Would readers come here and screw up their faces? Or their parents? At what? Between here, flickr and twitter: Vargas girls, zombies, beer at lunch, the effects of beer at lunch, morphine, bodhisattvas, f-bombs, god with a small 'g', brain surgery and fetish parties all tied up with a grosgrain ribbon.
I’m stumped. I really don’t know. Would I care if I discovered the author of my kids’ book liked the goosebumps of a too-stiff dark & stormy? Or had kinda heavy public tantrums and partook in kink? No. But then again, I am a harlot. I cannot be trusted.
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My grandma, 94, calls my mom in a state of mild confusion.
Gram: I’m mildly confused.
Mom: Why?
Gram: There are three ugly men in my kitchen.
Mom: What?!?
Gram: I have this picture and it’s in my kitchen and there are three of them, no, four, and they are ugly. I don’t know why these people are in my kitchen.
Mom: A picture? What does it look like?
Gram: They are very ugly. They are three ugly men. And an ugly lady. All very ugly. I don’t understand. Why are they here? They are so very ugly.
What had confounded her was Sydney’s rendering of my ship’s Captain, First Mate, Navigator and Machinist. One of them has maggots in his beard. Another has spurting boils all over her face, and a bald head, and very few teeth, and she’s laughing at you.
It was the cover of the book.
(slap five)
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Does your internet persona show up in your sandwich-eating, tooth-brushing, toe-stubbing life? Is that persona who you are at the root, or is it perhaps braver or less diplomatic or more articulate than you are in reality? Have you ever had to cannibalize the integrity of one in favour of the other?
Also. Am I the only one who thinks strategic f-bombs are lingual rainbow sprinkles, especially uttered by a storyteller entrusted with the blossoming minds of children?
Um. Please say no.
Monday, June 1, 2009 in
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Reader Comments (39)
So, like, give yourself a rating (PG13) and should any mother of a reader read this she will love you all them more and should any father read it, I feel for his wife!
Seriously, make a log-in for your blog or something, so a kid can't just type in the site and see an f-bomb or something like that, but 'keep on keeping on' otherwise. You will never make everyone happy, but I speak for a lot of people when I say you make us so happy to read this space and I just don't know what I would do with out that freak-of-nature honesty you bring to it. We would not want to lose that! :)
Blessings!
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oh and f-bombs seem to be a tool amongst my favorite authors... so you can't be the only one that likes them :)
Would I worry if my YA kids found your site? Nope. To be honest, I suspect the vast majority of kids that age wouldn't stick around; I doubt they see many linkages between the pirate novel they love and the sweetsalty persona that lives here.
I censor myself on my site all the time, mostly because I don't want to cause marital discord or familial ruckus. On my site I swear, confess to only showering once a week when the bathroom was out of commission, admit that I've smacked Isaac, discuss my fears about how living with a sick in-law will destroy my marriage. You've met me; I think it's safe to say I'm pretty much the same in person as I am online.
If a miracle happened and I ever had a book published, I don't see me changing the way I handle my blog all that much.
I would probably make my Twitter and Facebook private, though. That's to me more of a friends & family kind of thing, and I wouldn't want that to have the same level of access that my blog does.
I do, on my blog, *not* talk about the wild and wooly stuff so much since my boys read it, but that's just because I don't want them (and my mother in law, and my uncle, and our family bishop) knowing all their mama's dark secret thoughts.
Anyway, I woudn't worry about readers finding your blog and reading it. In my opinion, those too young for the material won't keep reading, and those who are old enough will benefit from it.
Kate, I imagine you're not even the most surprising. I bet you don't register on the scale.
Also: "Is that persona who you are at the root, or is it perhaps braver or less diplomatic or more articulate than you are in reality?"
All of the above, and then some. And each cannibalizes each. Every day.
As far as kids coming here, my kids are young so I monitor what they view online. I check it out first, if I think it's inappropriate, they don't see it--that's my job. There are things written here that I don't think they're ready for, but I wouldn't have any problem with them going to the site for a book written for their age group no matter what the author said or wrote about outside of that.
I have no idea what my blog is anymore. Two year olds are fun but hard to romanticize and write to on a monthly basis. I think I present myself genuinely enough, but then I guess when I look at posts past that makes me a :: Mama that crafts all the time, takes pictures, occasionally has something to say that might have some import, tries to stay abreast of the Internet happenings and ebb and flow that it brings.
Do I hide parts of myself? Of course. They are not really any one else's business. Do I use the f-bomb. Not often, grandma reads to see the boys and I do not know how to judiciously use it...it would be every other word on some days. One of the biggest compliments that I had had is when a friend I know in real life went back and read stuff. I was afraid to ask, not sure why, I guess I did not want her to call me a poser. She reassured me reading was like talking to me. Not sure if that is a compliment now that I think of it and realize I have 12 readers or so. Hmmm.
Any ways, keep writing as the SweetSalty we love. She is the one that generated the pirates, she is the one that shared her deepest loss and struggles, she is part of you and we would miss her greatly is she went away.
I was reading this post and enjoying the sweet saltiness of your voice, as ever, and I thought, how cool would it be to go to JK Rowling's website, and find an adults section (not password protected - yuck - but with fair warning) and find out that she's a complicated, grown up person with a real life like the rest of us? Well, not quite like the rest of us, but you get my drift.
I think it would be pretty effin cool.
My situation is the reverse: my book is shaping up to be quite a bit saltier than my online audience is probably used to from me. But the spirit is the same. I'm me, both here and there, whatever the vernacular.
On the blog, I find I have toned down the language some, though my sidebar says to expect PG-13 content. I like what your commenter said about reach being wider than you'd think. After my work started appearing in the supermarket stand, I got a lot more careful with strong language, simply because I didn't want to set up a barrier that some new people would have trouble getting past. At the same time, I think an occasional f-bomb is a useful filter. If someone can't handle the way I speak, they probably can't handle the way I think. C'est ca.
I'm about to do a big redesign -- actually an eponymous dot.com -- that will serve as a way of binding all these facets of persona together. A virtual quilt backing, if you will. Notes will be nested into it. Book readers can come to kyranpittman.com and decide from there whether or not the blog is their cuppa.
Speaking of which, do you think my editor will accept this over long comment toward my word count? Back at it. Mi hotpot es su hotpot. xoxoxo
You know how there are those famous songs that have lyrics people get wrong in a funny way (like, Excuse Me, While I Kiss This Guy, by Jimi Hendrix)?
"Hold Me Closer, Tiny Dancer" was mistaken for "Hold Me Closer, Tony Danza."
hahahahahaha...
I wouldn't censor ANYthing.
I'm saying a big, fat NO!
You won't be able to make this space something different than it already is. It's you, and that's that. I frankly don't think a younger reader would stick around long enough to form an opinion or be affected on way or the other. Short attention spans, that sort of thing. I love your writing in this venue and I do hope that your newly public persona won't cause you to change in any way the content you create here. This is one of my new favorite columns and in my best 'high school yearbook' note, I say: "don't ever change!"
Besides, it gives me a chance to say MAGGOT again. :)
I've been sorta writing a post for a few months (it's just not coming out right) based on a search "is online identify a real identity"-I think it's a valid point to make and speak to, if we believe the online selves to be as real, or maybe more real, than the person who wipes butts and does the laundry. But it doesn't make either one less valid.
Worry pas ta brain.
I don't think I have a blog persona. Do I? What you read is sort of what you get....although, I'm less melodramatic than my badly written emo posts would lead my readers to believe. And, I think I have a much better sense of humor in real life then on the blog page.
I, for one, have never googled to see if Dr. Seuss had a fetish for sniffing used thongs, or for licking big toes or anything. WTF do I care what their lives are like if they can spin a good yarn. I figure anyone who is gonna buy a kick-ass book with guys with maggots coming out of their heads (double high five on that one) is probably a pretty chill mom who won't care if you sip cocktails at noon and whorship at the altar of high fashion denim while writing posts about hot bush.
Having said that, from what I know of author fan (or other) mail, you may want to prepare yourself. The bigger the audience for your book, the more people will look for you online (kids and parents) and some of them will be crazy and/or controlling and/or conservatively rigid, and you'll probably get some complaints mixed in with the praise.
On the other hand, I'm thinking some of the parents will find your blog and read it and laugh and cry and enjoy it no end, and some of the kids will idolize and adore you for the strategic f-bombing, hot-pottery, and harlotry.
2 - BUT it IS possible that the site could increase the amount of mail (good or bad) from parents of potential YA readers. Think about it though, you could have the most innocuous of blogs...and there will ALWAYS be haters...wouldn't you prefer to stay true and deal with the haters if/when the come.
3 - I do think that having a seperate "author site" is a good idea and at some point you might choose to put a disclaimer on sweet/salty indicating that this IS in fact your blog and not your author site. But I think you can cross that bridge when you get to it.
My three cents!
And I would ditto what Her Bad Mother said about the selves constantly cannibalizing one another....all the time....in too many ways. Yet I somehow still choose to blog...silly girl!
I don't think you need to sensor yourself here or set up a log-in to keep kids out. Keep in mind that many of your regular readers are going to buy and proclaim the awesomeness of your book to others because they got to know your writing here. But when I think of my older kids' reading habits (aged almost 8 and 10) I realize that they do like to visit the websites marketed at the end of the chapter books that they read. And I think they expect content related to the storyline or genre. They might search and find you here on sweet/salty but the sophistication level would be over their heads and at the end of the day, they are going to be looking for pirate content. So they wouldn't be regular readers of this site, but I am, so please don't change. Please?
I'm currently trying to get a YA manuscript published too (have agent, am editing) and have wondered about this stuff myself.
There does seem to be (at least in the US) some totally bizarre expectations placed on YA authors. Have you heard of the random house morality clause? see here http://www.boingboing.net/2008/08/21/random-house-asks-yo.html
And, as Janet said, your YA readers would have to be very advanced/unusual to be interested in reading this blog - and if they were reading it purely for adult content - well- ahem - racy as you are :) - there's much 'better' stuff out there!
Anyway - what does your editor/publisher say?
A really good YA author blog to read is Justine Larbalestier's - she is an Aussie living in New York - and there's heaps of information there about the world of YA.
Can't wait for your book. Is it being published in Australia?
You are as remarkable online as you seem to be off. You have done everything right.
I love you so.
xo
I’m glad to hear there are so many 12 and 13-year-olds who already drop f-bombs. EXCELLENT. Although I should say for the record there are no f-bombs in the book. They wouldn’t even let me say ‘knockers’. I tried.
Julie whose kids read Dean Koontz and Stephen King: Oh my god your sons sound very cool, and oh my god I am terrified of them. Hardly anyone has read it – really just the publisher and my mom and a few other people I’ve bribed, including Justin – no kids, yet. My book is already breaking out in a nerve-related rash at the thought of it.
Tash, you wanna to take this outside? “You don’t even register on the scale of surprising badness”? Oh yeah? OH YEAH?
(remembers confessing I have never tasted coffee etc.) Um. Never mind.
Kyran, that’s something I might need to consider, to put a ‘beware potential f-bombs’ note on the sidebar, just so that new readers understand what this is. Good luck on the site redesign… cool idea. I’m going to do something similar, although yours sounds more ambitious. I’m just trying to figure out how to make the book site scratch-‘n’sniff.
Yay to all the NOs! And to being held closer by Tony Danza.
Elise, you’re clever. I’m going to start writing about wet-t-shirt contests and pop stars as a way of attracting more rebellious tweens. And the publisher wants a marketing meeting to figure all this out. HAH! Done.
Conversemomma, all I mean by the word “persona” is the constance of my voice, or your voice. It’s pretty much the same concept as a person as a brand, but bear with me. This isn’t to suggest that anything I write is contrived or inauthentic. It just means that I have certain intentions with this blog, and goals and hopes that spring from that. And they’re important to me, and so I do my best to follow them. There’s a consistency to what I do here, as there is with your awesome wee corner of the internet. You have a very strong and individual presence whether you intend to or not. And that’s your ‘brand’, even though I know I just made you shudder unpleasantly. My point is that it’s not a bad word. It’s about a sticking-to-your-principles, and that’s not any kind of judgement or elitism. It’s just the same thing as being conscious about what you wear—the unique reasons you like one dress and not another—beyond requiring fabric on your body.
Oh, and you totally said hot bush. Not me. But it cracked me up and made me like you even more.
Slouching mom, wn and Janet, yep. Going to do this. Just decided today. Soon as I get the scratch-‘n-sniff book site done.
And we have no NOs! more yay.
Gal, thank you for calling me lewd. Well, loosely. You called ‘life’ lewd but I can read between the lines. God I adore you.
Jo, that’s so kind. Pungent! That’s almost ‘lewd’. Cool.
Rebecca, that was kind of a shocking article. My god. Something run rampant when a publisher has morality clauses. Makes me glad I’m so boring in actuality. Seriously. I still vehemently disagree with the existence of such a clause, despite how unlikely it is I’d be caught stoned and violating all manner of squirrels.
I will visit Justine Larbalestier's blog, thanks. And congrats/good luck on your manuscript, that’s fantastic. As for the book being available in Australia, it will be online for everyone as far as I know. Not on phsyical shelves, at least not initially. Just online until I sell one million billion trillion copies (+/-) and international marketeers come knocking with a private helicopter bound for New York City.
Maggie, you’re sweet. I’m going to slosh beer all over you and change your mind just a teeny smidge.
Thanks all, this is so very cool and fascinating to think about. I am daunted to the point of complete terror of your reading children. That is all. Good night.
if nothing else it's a fun mind fuck.
be who you are. it's the only way to be. i know you know this, because i see it. but it's still a mind fuck to think about yourself out there. personally, i'd prefer it done online behind curtains, than in person at 7:30 am when i sing song good morning to you!
most days i am a split personality.
i think you'll find it hilarious.
I say this not because I would be shocked!! at the thought of my (hypothetical) kids' authors having lives, and sex, and hot pots, but more as the product of an overly protective and hyper-reactive mom who would have been shocked!! at exactly the above thought. or at least would have cut off my fingers at the first sign of a google search for "literary lesbianism", if google had been around back when I was reading YA.
also good point above about younger kids "aging up" ... I was one of those kids and was not allowed to read stuff like sweet valley high, judy blume, etc etc. so keep in mind you might have readers down to the age of like 4 or 5. if they are super nerds like i was.
all that said, as an adult and not a mom and not a YA reader, I wholeheartedly embrace every inch of your harlotry, overpriced denim fetish and all. yay for ridiculous jeans :)
Have a good day chasing your two pirates-in-training!
I do have a a somewhat unpleasant story about blogging and books. I know what we do aren't very close, but I feel like I should share it anyway.
My book of poetry was published about two years ago when I was still writing my family-blog quite regularly (now, it's pretty much stopped). Poetry books don't get much attention in the world, so when my publisher sent me a modest stack (ahem, three) of reviews I was excited and scared. One of the reviews, the one in the most prominent of venues, was not a review of my book as much as a review of my life. The reviewer googled me, found my family blog (and *not* the writing one I had started for such reason) and wrote about my life. He found my life to be happy and normal, seemed to like it while being meh on the poetry.
I guess I'm sharing this story because my worry for you would be that some stupid reviewer would find this site and decide to write about your history (and of course he would focus on Liam and Ben) and try to you book in that context instead of just doing his job and writing about the book.
I'm not sure if there is anything to do or worth doing about this. I'm curious to what your publisher feels about it all--both in terms of your audience and the reviewers.
Are you going to have a book-blog, too? Lord knows you contribute to plenty now--I know I'd hate to add another one to the mix.
Now that you use the term "Danzite" I'm backing out of that one! :) I must not be a loyal fan... and for the record, you made a pretty appropriate assumption. "Dunkers" could take issue with some of your post (my hubby probably would frown at the term "literary lesbian") but alas who gives a flip (that's what dunkers say instead of the f-bomb, not near as cool). Still, dunkers use all kinds of words but never in church, never for arts sake and they don't readily admit it. "Sprinklers" on the other hand are much more liberal about most everything. I used to be one myself... (sigh)... and yes I am poking fun of religion not the BIG GUY (for any sticklers)! Please know I was NEVER offended :) and no knockers? are you kidding?!
but i would also like to chime in about the mothers of children who read books like yours...i have a child who is big now (14) and read all sorts of books to/with him as he has grown. my very favorites came from people with whom i would have LOVED to have known that i could share the pot and drop f-bombs with. truly. and remember the old adage - "if they can't hang, that's their deal"...pretty please.
as far as my many personas...my favorite me shows up most often at my blog - it is all authentic me for certain - yet less of my uglies are there than should be perhaps. but there are some days when i am in it deep - bad dark deep - and i go back through the blog a bit and when i witness what i have built over the years i feel better. does that make sense? i can see the lighter me and i can get back to her more quickly.
as always, thank you for another post that hit the spot, my dear.
I know, I'm hopeless. I just keep rereading and I'm most interested in the line "cause that's how I roll"..... Is this about tea-drinking or sex with chicks? Ha! (Seriously).
Is it less of a loss to mourn an unborn or miscarried pregnancy? Why is it that when families put so much in to becoming pregnant for the first, second, or third time and fail time & time again that people expect you to put it behind you and move on somehow- easier than the death of a child?
While the two things are quite obviously very different losses, my personal experience after having our second miscarriage in 8 months (this one a 'fetal demise', as opposed to the first 'blighted ovum') sucks donkey. We had the early tests that showed everything was ok. Our hopes and dreams and joy were tied up in the good news. Shortly after the 7 week ultra sound something must have gone wrong. Our excitement at the time of finding a small bean that had a heartbeat meant we could start looking forward.
That contrasts very harshly with the news of fetal demise we got this week, and the ensuing procedure to evacuate the mass that was left is no easier.
Anyway, considering this blog originally became a flower (so to speak) and grew to a large following through the trials of the stressful nature of the twins' world, something tells me many who read this would have experienced our kind of loss as well, as they ventured into the world of trying to make a new life in the world.
I really am not sure what the heck my point is. Just a little lost today.
sadly, the "you should put it behind you and move on" of Other People's Expectations can be pretty common across the spectrum of loss, whether in early pregnancy, late pregnancy, infancy...sometimes even after. when the children have been old enough for people to know them as themselves, as personalities that they can engage in memorializing, grief gets a little more legitimized...but mostly our society engages in this great anxiety over whether people are grieving properly and doesn't seem to make much room for genuine feelings.
whether it's less of a loss...my own personal answer would be it's a pointless question. i've been through both, and both are losses...of futures hoped for, of dreams invested in. xo to you and yours.
Just know that you're not getting any expectations pressed upon you from the love in this direction. None at all. Stringless love. We're thinking of you.
I adore who YOU are and don't think there's anything there to apologize for or cover up. If people don't get it, then fuck 'em. I'll buy your book. And then I'll find a way to your neck of the woods and demand you sign it. I'll also take a cup of tea if you're brewing. Or a beer, your call.