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    Thursday
    23Oct2008

    what was planted to heal the world

    I imagine a being with a crystal ball trained on the parallel universe in which Liam survived. He might have been gay, you know, the being says. He might have been gay. Does that change anything?

    I am his mother. He is my son.

    Please, give me my baby back, just as he was.

    +++++

    Sorry.... she hisses, trolling my friend's grassroots campaign against a constitutional ammendment to ban gay marriage in Arizona. Marriage is a special and sacred covenant designed by God to be between a MAN and a WOMAN!

    She invokes God to insist that only her kind of life is ordained. She puts conditions on human brothers and sisters, on me and on you. She denies love, that special and sacred gift designed to heal the world.

    And so I reply Yes. Heterosexuals are God's chosen people, and all the rest are damned. Wait... no. White christian heterosexuals. That's it. Actually... no. White christian heterosexuals who remain married and never divorce for any reason nor cheat on taxes, tests or vows. And they must be fertile, and they must choose to have children. And they must love their neighbours and never indulge conceit. These are God's special and sacred people and anyone not among them - by choice, fate or birth - deserves damnation.

    Indeed, the very definition of a christian ideal.

    My congratulations to you on presumably being among the chosen few, at least on paper, which I hope is enough to facilitate a sound sleep.

    +++++

    In the muscle-memory of our souls we've all been marginalized. Each and every one of us has had miserably timed turns at being poor, or protestant, or mentally ill, or black, or differently abled, or female, or jewish, or iroquois, or gay.

    In all those states we were born as a living, breathing expression of hope and renewal and love just as we were. In all those states we have been denied by each other.

    Too many of us forget to remember.

    +++++

    A baby dribbles cereal for the first time and we think oh! look at you go. Funny feeling, isn't it? Good boy! and at that moment he is a hairline closer to making his own way in the world.

    Then he crawls like greased lightening. Then he weeble-wobble walks. Then before we know it he's got the keys to the car and we hear the voice of our parents from our own mouths: it's not you I'm worried about. It's all the other drivers and we won't sleep a wink that night until we know he is safe in his bed.

    Parenthood is one long letting-go. Our children grow up, up and away, and they need us less and less, and there's no use in resisting it, and that's just how it's meant to be.

    Now step back. Way back.

    The collective of human beings doesn't grow up, up and away. As we grow up - as we fumble to feel around the edges of this world we've been given - those edges close in. The world gets smaller, and rather than growing away we grow increasingly squashed together.

    There's no longer enough space to remain cloistered in like-minded tribes. We bump and jostle, forced by sheer proximity and exposure to look at each other - really look - and exist among the unfamiliar scents and sounds and fashions of others.

    In this cacophony there are now only two breeds of humans.

    There are those who grimace and whine quit shoving! You stink. I'm better than you. And you, too. Shut up. Move over. He stepped on my foot! Asshole. I'll show you. This is unbearable. This is wrong. This has to stop.

    And there are those who shrug, knowing this is how it was always meant to happen.

    I suppose ten million years from now, we'll all be just alike
    same colour, same kind
    and working together
    and maybe we'll have all of the fascists out of the way by then

    This growing together, this sharing space: it is as sure as tide, current in a bottleneck. To push against it is masochistic and misguided, inevitable failure proven time and time again. To turn the other way and surf it is the joy, the awakening that was designed for us.

    +++++

    I held my baby son as he died.

    Read this, the whole thing, and I think you'll understand:

    I always suspected that deep down inside the person yammering on about unconditional love was really trying to set himself up to get a piece of ass. Nothing wrong with that, but don't kid yourself about unconditional love. Until you've lived it, you can't know it. And the separation between those who can grasp the concept and those who have held the feeling is a yawning chasm that nothing but experience can bridge.

    Until you love your child without ever knowing whether or not you'll ever get to hold her, you don't know unconditional love. Until your love for your child is greater than your need for her to live even one more day with anything less than the dignity she deserves, you don't know unconditional love.

    Having been there - urgently, desperately - witnessing condemnation turns me inside out. How dare anyone put conditions on love - that which was planted to heal the world by the very God they invoke?

    +++++

    Imagine a being with a crystal ball trained on the future of the child you hold in your arms. The child with the jack ‘o lantern grin, the succulent, cheesy neck, the chubby folds. The child that woke up twice last night in hot tears and needed you, just you.

    She's going to be gay, you know, the being says. She's going to be gay and she's going to live far away but she'll be home every summer and for Christmas with her wife. She's going to be happy, and smart, and ordinary, and gay. Does that change anything?

    Beg, plead: Just keep her safe and whole. I will love her forever, just as she is.


    Reader Comments (76)

    Perspective. You has it. And I love that you posted Billy Bragg.
    October 22, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterThai
    Wow.

    Yes.
    October 23, 2008 | Unregistered Commentermnkathy
    Kate, Kate, Kate,
    You beautiful, amazing, soulful woman - you humble me and honor all of us with your words. Thank you, from the bottom of my heart. I would love your permission to repost this all over the place (but specifically on the No On 102 blog - really, it's too good not to share). I wish everyone would read this, especially that last part. You made me cry.

    One correction though - Prop 102 is not to make gay marriage illegal. Same sex marriage is already illegal in Arizona (and in all other states except for Ca, MA and CT) Prop 102 seeks to make it double illegal by amending the constitution to state that marriage can only be between one man and one woman (so those wishing to marry goats, pigs and turtles of any gender need not apply). This way, if there ever exists federal legislation to legalize same sex marriage - Arizona can't stick their fingers in their ears and say "Na, na, na, na - we're not listening"

    Seriously, in the midst of an economic crisis - this warrents 9 million in funds raised by the right wingers to get this bill passed?? I wonder how that money could have been spent....hmmmm....

    In California, where same sex marriage has been legal for a few short months - Prop 8 has the potential to make it illegal again. And the money raised there by the conservative side makes Arizona's Yes On 102 bank balance look like pocket change.

    We need allies on this fight - and I'll take one as wise, beautiful and eloquent as you any day. Welcome aboard.

    Makes my home country look better and better.

    Jeanette
    October 23, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterJeanette
    This is the sound I make after reading your words: With lips in an O sound, I breathe out, loudly, the sound of "FOOOOOOO". Wow, Kate. Wow...
    October 23, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterGal
    I am so glad to be in this cacophony with you.
    Your words of love are now reverberating in the cosmos, into the soul of Liam even. :)
    xoxo
    October 23, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterMereMortal
    PS you forgot the brilliant "eternally effed" part. teehee. :)
    peace.love.free
    October 23, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterMereMortal
    "Having been there - urgently, desperately - witnessing condemnation turns me inside out. How dare anyone put conditions on love - that which was planted to heal the world by the very God they invoke?"

    This just made me stop, go back, and read again. This is so true. So beautiful.

    Why do we care so much about denying things to people? Denying the concept of love because "they're not like us, when we don't actually know what love means. Well, most of us don't, I'm afraid.

    Beautiful words.
    October 23, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterMissy
    At some point in my life, I realized that nothing really truly matters aside from one being happy with themselves-secure in what they want and need. When Vivian was born, I looked at her 4 month old smile and told her that no matter what she chooses, no matter who she is or what she wants, I am her mother and will love her. Her life path, it's not mine.

    How other's cannot see clearly enough to wish only happiness and fulfillment on their children-I can't and won't understand that. So long as she brings home someone who loves her for her-I'm good.

    I've had people get confused and bemused when I use both genders to speak of their possible future loves-but it's only true-I don't decide these things, and when the time comes, I want to only know of their joy, period.

    My parents had love, and lost. Life is far far far too short.
    October 23, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterthordora
    And this is just one more reason that I just love you. I don't know you but you have a heart and mind so pure that anyone reading this just has to love you.

    Thank you for all the wonderful things you say. You truly are magnificent in the way you capture life with your words.
    October 23, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterVicki
    this was great, but if one is truly a Christian, then one knows that all sins are forgiven and we are all loved by God, regardless of our sexual make up so please don't lump all "Christians" together, because while i don't have all the answers, i know that not everyone has this black or white view that you speak of.
    October 23, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterleigh lear
    I love your writing. I mean seriously. You're one of my faves. So I'm not just being some kneejerk idiot when I ask: Do you really think that an easy-going, go with the flow attitude toward the issue of overpopulation and overcrowding is the way to be? Where will gay people get married after we've devoured the world?
    October 23, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterBlack Hockey Jesus
    Chills reading this. Thank you, Kate.
    October 23, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterEllen
    Amazing and beautiful. Thanks, as always, Kate. Wishing you peace.
    October 23, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterGreg
    Beautiful beyond words.
    October 23, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterheather
    I think, Christian or Buddhist or Jewish, we fall to deceit when we try to identify the divine, to carve Him from the the plastic of our own flesh. He is OTHER, the I AM, ALPHA and OMEGA, SAVIOR. A "savior" saves us from ourselves, the selves that would more quickly condemn a woman than love her. This is not what Jesus did. He condemned those that looked Him in the eye and denied Him.
    John 34
    "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another."


    Have you looked your beliefs in the EYE? Studied them, read the Bible, the Talmud, held it up against something other than your own mirror? I am proud when I finish 3 loads of laundry in a day, how can I then look into that and try to access a god?!

    That is faith, to understand that we can't understand everything. Read The Sparrow, which deals with this SO eloquently, without stepping on the hems of particular faiths, Marie Doria Russell manages to say what I want to so badly but never seem to. David's writing is so true and Kate, can I be your first baptist girl to say that I love gay people? I do! To do less would be to disobey the command given in scripture by the very Jesus I love with my whole heart, the one that loves each and every one of us...even when we deny Him.
    October 23, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterjen
    AMEN. Just as they are, please keep them safe. My prayer, also.

    Thank you, Kate
    October 23, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterdorrie
    This is such a beautiful post. As I sit here, six months pregnant, I wonder what our little boy will be like. A scientist like his father or a daydreamer like his mother? But then I think of the mothers like you who have lost, if that the right word, babies and my heart breaks for the dreams lost and the what ifs one will never know.
    October 23, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterandrea
    I live in California and see daily tv ads wherein parents are freaking out because "gay marriage will be taught in our schools." Taught in the schools? Like someone is out to brainwash our kids? Give me a break.

    They are never too young to learn acceptance - that's what I believe. Teach my kids about equality at school because that's what I'm teaching them at home.

    There are certain things that I just do not get and this is one of those things. Why are some people threatened by this?
    October 23, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterMichelle s
    Haven't commented in a while although I've been lurking... do you have a book of poetry on the way? Your brain dumps are one of my favourite things on the web.
    October 23, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterAndrea
    Lovely post, Kate.

    I honestly don't get it. Did you notice when Scott Brison, Liberal Member of Parliament, got married a year or two ago in Cheverie, up near the Fundy Shore? The wedding was attended by a Who’s Who of Canadian politics, including former Prime Ministers Paul Martin and Joe Clark, former US ambassador (and New Brunswick Premier) Frank McKenna, and former Montreal Canadiens goalie and NHL Hall of Famer (and MP and published author) Ken Dryden.

    Canada is but one of two or three countries that sanctioned gay marriage a few years ago... and... then... wait for it... nothing... happened...

    The four horsemen of the apocalypse aren't riding down Lincoln Street. Toronto's Gay Pride Parade hasn't been dragging people off the street and making them gay. No telemarketers have called me offering a free toaster and begging me to switch teams.

    You are seeing this with your heart, and like the little fox, it is with the heart that one sees rightly.
    October 23, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterRichard
    you make me cry.

    my MIL just left from a visit with us. she was watching the news and going on about how gay marriage is an "abomination". She has one granddaughter who is bisexual and one who is gay. I never understood how she can say she loves them and then say those terrible things.

    This is why we hurt in the world - because people can't leave well enough alone and let everyone just BE ... BE who they are meant to BE.
    October 23, 2008 | Unregistered Commentertanya
    thanks for bringing your formidable writing chops to the topic. i heard a radio program this morning re prop 8 in california and it made my heart hurt to listen to the man/lawyer/not bigot (at his insistence) demanding we take away the right for people to marry each other. so difficult to listen to, his logic so oddly skewed.

    it really is just about love and not taking it away. ever. for any reason. it is so hard to get in the first place. let us foster and keep it any way we can.
    October 23, 2008 | Unregistered Commentermamie
    Richard - funny that you bring up Scott here - he's my cousin and I wrote about his wedding on my blog when it happened...it's true - the moral fabric of Canada has not been destroyed by the legalization of same sex marriage...funny all the hyperbole surrounding the issue...this article following the CA decision cracked me up
    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2008/05/16/notes051608.DTL&feed=rss.mmorford
    October 23, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterJeanette
    Reading this made me realize that with our first boy (A1) we would talk about his future partner in gender neutral terms and make sure that we'd say things like 'our future daughter *or* son in law...' (which, by the way, for whatever reason that was HILARIOUS to us was going to be either Shilo or Maddox Jolie-Pitt!), we have stopped talking like this, especially since our second (A2) was born and our move from Vancouver to Edmonton. I wonder why. I'm going to make an effort to go back to the gender-neutral stuff.

    Like everyone else who have already posted, I just don't know why folks don't want other folks just to find love and happiness. Also, I'd *love* to see the proposed lesson plans on how the kids are going to be taught to be gay!(Maybe it would lead to a better-dressed populace? What's so wrong about that?)

    Also, I'm so glad I'm rubbin' up against the likes of you, Kate. ;)
    October 23, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterm
    I work in the arts, where there are so many funky, accepting, outrageous, unconventional people (some of whom are gay). Sometimes I forget that my little world isn't the norm. That there are legions of people who don't approve of things like gay relationships. I picture these folks like the ones in that painting, "American Gothic",all pinch-lipped and smile-free, frowning on the hedonists and clutching pitchforks to keep them at bay. But it's much worse than that, because they're NOT like that at all. They're our relatives, our friends, the people we share a laugh with that we think we'd like to know better. Poisoned by this ridiculous fear/hatred of the Other.
    I'm so glad I was raised by open-minded parents, and my heart aches for my gay friends who have to lie or pretend to their families.
    October 23, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterAlison
    And that was the most beautiful thing i have read in a long time.
    October 23, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterAshlea
    this is the nail on the head. i did not understand unconditional until my daughter came and i do not understand other parents (or parents to be, or those who have parents) ;) not loving unconditionally.
    October 23, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterAwake
    Leigh, I don’t mean to lump all christians together, and I so think there are christians out there who live in shades of grey. I love connecting with people like that. I’m about to digress thanks to your prompt—it’s an extension to what you said, not a counter at all.

    You got me to thinking about this category of religious resistence that’s tied up with a neat, absolving bow in the form of this: “I love gay people because I love all people, just like Jesus did—even the sinners. Because as christians, we don’t hate the sinner, we hate the sin.”

    Thinking out loud: my problem is that righteous hate is righteous hate. Making a distinction between the purported sin and the purported sinner… I feel like that’s only to make disapproval more palatable for believers uncomfortable being seen as bigots—so that they can say they accept gay people, but just not gay sex. Really, it’s the same judgement, damnation and condemnation with a loving smile on the front of it...

    on that note, why does gay sex upset people so much, anyway? I wonder what I'd get if I googled that. I'd probably have to pay.

    Black Hockey Jesus, hey thanks… I’m going to do my best despite teh pretzel brain. What I meant by humanity ‘growing up’ was not population growth, but sophistication, learning, science, increased separation of church and state (theoretically speaking.. hmph), basic human rights, democracy, free speech. And by ‘world gets smaller’ I mean exposure (media, internet) rather than literal space, although what you say is totally true too. So I dunno. That’s a whole ‘nother post.

    Jen, how true of the carving from plastic. And as much as I love to hear from a Baptist girl who loves gay people, it only makes me more deeply curious. Are you okay with gays loving each other in the ordinary, emotional and physical ways we feel entitled to express love to one another as heteros? I don’t mean to challenge you, I’m just genuinely curious if you really can be a student of scripture and also subscribe to love without conditions. I can’t tell you how much I hope you say yes, because that would give me hope, but hey, no pressure. (grin)

    (to everyone: all of the above of course is meant with the gentlest respect in the world, the kind that comes across so much better in kitchens and in front of woodstoves than it does on this here ticky-tapper.)
    October 23, 2008 | Unregistered Commentersweetsalty kate
    thank you.
    October 24, 2008 | Unregistered Commentercarolion
    All of it, yes, and that last line, oh YES.

    Don't have the words to tell you how brimful of beauty I find your words.

    Crying.
    October 24, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterHeatherJ
    Okay you challenged me and let me just say it as plain and simple as I can...I am NOT God.

    I think the gay thing is misunderstood to the Nth degree in the christian community. It is not a choice. Do I accept "gay love"? I am not interested in stopping it... I don't believe being gay is an excuse for a sleep with anyone and everyone lifestyle, though. I also don't believe it was intended. Plain science proves my point but people move beyond plain science, don't they. Can two adults of same sex love each other the way me and my husband love each other? Absolutely.

    Baptist as we may be we have many close friends who are gay and we love them just as they are. I have no interest in trying to "change" them. I think that is THE most ridiculous concept in the religious world. When I decided to be a full fledged Christian my best friend (who is gay) asked me a similar question. My response? I just want people to get to know Jesus, not to use being gay and "christian" jerks as an excuse to not figure Him out. Look it in the eye, as I said, and you and Him work out all the details.

    We have had gay people in our Bible study even, same response. I can't wait to get to heaven and ask God, "Lord you made the Bible say this, what did you really mean and you made people and they feel this and I'm confused, but aren't they GREAT just like me, messed up just like my little white, baptist, heterosexual heart? Am I wrong just loving them just like they are? Cause I do God."

    So there, as honest as I can be... I really do love gay people and not because I have to. I just do, how they are, where they are. I am not okay with drag queens who don't shave and gay cowboys for the record, the hats twisting and turning and hands in the back of each others wranglers, girlfriends back in the mobile homes...uck! (sorry to any offended gay cowboys or brokeback fans)

    With all sincere love to all of you... Jen
    October 24, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterjen
    you know i almost didn't comment because i knew i wouldn't be able to express my thoughts as eloquently as you do, but being a christian i myself still live in a huge world of grey. i have had my christianity questioned because of it, i don't know if i'm right or wrong in my beliefs, more likely the latter, but it's all i have really my faith, isn't it all anybody really has, faith/belief... i hope that one day i can question God personally as to why He/She made us to be so imperfect, then again i know the answer is only to make us closer, more dependent on Him/Her....i do believe our sexuality is a choice, in that we can choose to act on our feelings. just like we can choose to act on any feeling we have whether straight or gay...i'm sure in another life, i would have been perfectly, maybe even more happy as a lesbian, but i made the choice to have sex with a man in college and got pregnant, and now i am married with three kids, so that is my choice. i applaud jeanette for her courage, i only wish i had some of it, i know from experience it is not an easy road she has chosen.
    October 24, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterleigh lear
    Oh kate. The path you take us on.

    Nothing would eve change the love I have for my girls. I tell them that al the time.
    October 24, 2008 | Unregistered Commentercrazymumma
    there are very few times i read a blog post and feel tears streaming down my face.

    as a woman who has been so very in love with another woman for the past three years, despite thinking that she would always marry a man, my heart breaks a little bit every day thinking about the blind hatred for those who can't understand.

    we're all just the same, at the core. a group of cells, multiplying and dividing until skin forms and then a heart and some lungs and some eyes with which to see the world.

    thank you for this post.
    October 24, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterAshley
    I wish your baby were here, just as he was.

    The husband and I talk, on occasion, about how life would be different if Jack was gay. The kid is 6 months old, so this won't be an issue for a long time, but if it is . . . Oh, I hope by the time it is, he would be able to get married. He would not be marginalized. He would not feel lesser, or other, or like he had to hide from a large section of the population (which would unfortunately include his maternal grandparents.)

    I also wonder what is so scary about homosexual love. I can never get someone who thinks it is a sin to talk about it deeply. I would love to have that conversation, without ire, with passionate but measured and considered responses. It's proven impossible thus far.
    October 24, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterGillian
    yes, exactly.
    October 24, 2008 | Unregistered Commentermaggie
    Jen, thanks so much for coming back. It’s truly a wonderful thing to hear more of your point of view. You wear god well. My only brain phoots in response: as to gay sex being a thing that was ‘intended’ or not, I always wonder at the placement of the male g-spot, which of course is only reached the gay way, as you could say. Hrrmm.. and if child-making is the intended purpose of sex, then why are so many people infertile, and why do seniors still have a sex drive? It all leads me to believe that the only thing the universe (or god, or whomever) intended was good vibes of any consensual origin.

    And gay cowboys? Are you kidding me? Your description of ‘hands in the back of each others’ wranglers’ was, like, totally HOT. (wink) My two cents... Brokeback was representative of being a gay cowboy in the poor and rural 60s. You couldn’t *not* get married, even if it was the antithesis of who you would otherwise be, and there’s no rug big enough in christendom that will keep inherent gayness at bay for a lifetime. That’s my guess, anyway. Sad for the wives, but equally for the needlessly tortured men. And to close off: Wrangler-on-wrangler love. And now for a moment of silence.

    Leigh, I’m totally happy that you commented, absolutely. I’m glad you’re here, and that you’re grey... although I believe the only choice we make is to either be true to ourselves, or to stifle ourselves for fear of what other people will think (which I’ve seen people try to do, and often ends in destructive behaviour at worst and depressing unfulfillment at best... who wants to live an inauthentic life?). Perhaps you chose your husband because that’s who you are, in this life.. on the spectrum, you're far enough on the straight side so that living as you do feels comfortable for you, like me. I couldn’t agree with you more, though, that heterosexuals have it easy in terms of living in their skin, and gay people don’t—they have to fight and transform and confess and sacrifice in order to be who they are. And for that, I can only respect them that much more.

    Thanks both of you, thank you so much for delving a little more deeply. Too often, a continued, gentle conversation is shut down, and I think it’s such a gift when it doesn’t.
    October 24, 2008 | Unregistered Commentersweetsalty kate
    Well I came back wondering if the discussion had gone there and I'm glad it had.

    I am a C. I am a CH. I am a CHRISTIAN. (sorry, childhood song that got stuck in my head as I'm writing this). And apparently, due to the lovely descriptiveness that I was unable to put into words, live in shades of gray. Having read the Scripture, my understanding or reconciliation or "how I let it sit in my head so I can sit through church" is that those passages often thrown around to condemn homosexuality are really more applicable to adultery. Don't have willy nilly (ahem) sex with anyone. More importantly though, for me, is God's love. And to me, the lesson is to share that love with everyone - gay or straight or somewhere in between.

    But, like a previous poster said, I can't wait for that conversation with Him to see what it really all means. Until then, I practice the love.
    October 24, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterAwake
    To Brokeback fans, I respect what it means to some, I just live in the DEEP south and my gay friend took me to a bar where there was a "cowboy" side... picture Kenny Chesney making out with an even taller, more awkward version of himself and well it is all just too much dichotemy for this little girl.

    Kate I get what you are saying but I have to stick to the fact that there are ways things were intended... but they can get rather messed up like you said. The male G spot though, hmmm... how do we get to all these places on your blog, needless to say I am addicted! :) Much love Kate, you are precious!
    October 24, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterjen
    everyone is entitled to their opinion.... as long as they don't crush others, its fine.

    thanks,
    October 24, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterwish
    "I couldn’t agree with you more, though, that heterosexuals have it easy in terms of living in their skin, and gay people don’t—they have to fight and transform and confess and sacrifice in order to be who they are."

    There is only one small distinction I'd like to make here, and it's this: not all heterosexuals have it easy living in their skin with respect to the gender spectrum. Ask any hetero, closeted cross dresser if it's easy and I bet you'll get a resounding, "HELL NO! It effing sucks." Or a man who was born in a female's body and is struggling with how to come to terms with that. Or any other person who doesn't quite fit on the traditional hetero spectrum, but who isn't gay, either.

    But truly, truly, this was a beautiful post. I can't thank you enough for your gorgeous writing-- nothing has made me think so much in a long time.
    October 24, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterKy
    I have said this before, in a world that can be so filled with pain, I do not understand people that can't just celebrate love. Simple as that.

    I do not want my children to grow up to be anything than what they are, were meant to be.

    Your blog leaves me gasping for air.
    Thank you for being here.
    October 25, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterconversemomma
    amen. This is a lovely post.
    October 25, 2008 | Unregistered Commentersalena
    not to keep beating this thing over the head, but i had to add just a little. the whole choice thing...that's a very black and white way of looking at things, we make choices for millions of different reasons. a person can be true to themselves and still live a very fulfilling life even if they make hard choices that, given different circumstances they would have made different ones. when i said i was grey, i really sort of define the color:) we're kind of leaving out an entire part of this scenario, those people that can love both sexes, the Ani Difranco's of the world. you know a person can make a choice at a time in their life that completely changes the very core of their being, but does that mean they have to live an unfulfilled life, not being true to themselves? as mothers, think of how much of ourselves we sacrifice for our children, doesn't every mom stuff a little bit of their truest self down to raise kids....it's not in our nature to love unconditionally, it comes with a price, usually one that only costs us, so we lose a little bit of ourselves with a prayer that someday, when the kids are older, maybe then, i'll find that person again.
    i don't know, now i kind of feel like i'm rambling, but this has been an awesome discussion.
    October 25, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterleigh lear
    My husband and I talk about this about once a month. What if besides having to confront society's preconceptions/misconceptions about Down syndrome our Biscuit is also gay? The topic comes up not because we are stressing about it, but because the boy loves "Singin' in the Rain" and Gene Kelly to a stereotypical extent. Our feeling is that we don't care about him possibly being gay (he's 3, who knows what he is?) we just want him to be happy. And we don't want him to be picked on. Imagine how hard it must be for the pre-teen in middle school who knows he's gay but can't bring himself to come out yet. Then imagine that he is developmentally disabled. We are worried about what puberty will bring in general, and if he will have the communication skills at that point to be able to share what he's thinking and feeling so that we can parent him with love and care for the things that matter to him. If he can't get his ideas out of his head, how can we help him to navigate this cold, cruel world?

    These are the kinds of things that make me cry when I think of the grumpy judgmental people who think they have a right to say who can be married. They probably want my son in an institution anyway, not living in the community and falling in love with a woman or a man. ACK! People! Please, please let's change the world. Please, please help me make it a place that accepts all of our kids, smart or retarded, gay or straight. Sorry, I'm just blubbering now. Big puddles of tears should not be allowed keyboards. Off to blow my nose.
    October 26, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterKYouell
    Long time listener, first time caller. Mom. Married. Lesbian.

    And so grateful for all the support and love within this post.

    We're surrounded by supporters of this horrible proposition here in CA and all the hate I feel emanating from it but still, touched and pleased to find support from someone who is not obligated to give it.
    October 27, 2008 | Unregistered Commenterliz
    Ky, heard and acknowledged, yes, absolutely.

    Leigh, you're not rambling at all. All very true. I just get uppity when people put the word "choice" next to the word "sexuality" because most often, it means "you should have chosen to be straight instead of gay, because gayness and godliness cannot coexist, so just DON'T BE GAY."

    There's a huge segment of people that still cling to the belief that we choose our sexualities - because as long as they do, they can believe that homosexuality is an abhorrence, unnatural and wrong. They want to believe that gay people are sinners by choosing to indulge in gay sex, and by not being strong enough (presumeably) to make 'tough' or 'selfless' or 'godly' decisions. Because if they accept that we're made just as we are - that we are born gay or straight or anything in between - then they have to accept that God made us all these colours, all these shades of grey. And that would mean they'd have to accept people different from themselves, and that would be ICKY.

    So that's why I take a black-and-white viewpoint - only as a knee-jerk reaction to the black-and-white viewpoint on the other side. They say it's a choice because they want to condemn it, and I say we're born wired one way or the other because I believe everyone deserves love and respect.

    What you say is fair too, assuming I'm reading you right, all your greys.

    KYouell, indeed! Yes. Yet another angle on all this... thank you.
    October 27, 2008 | Unregistered Commentersweetsalty kate
    Interesting. All of it. I guess all the debating about choice is what gets me. Life, Liberty and the Pursuit Of Happiness= having choices. Is it not obvious? These were the words that were said as we Declared Independence from an EMPIRE.

    As for being hard-wired gay. I dunno, no DNA scientist here, but I am a hard-wired shoe slut, so anything is possible (I will do ANYTHING for a good pair of shoes) But I do have a Ph.D in the investigation of the Heart. In my own experience, we love people. We fall in love with people and CHOOSE to be with those people or not. Perhaps some kinds of packages make our bits a tad juicier than others (okay kate, i just put your blog on Parental Discretion lists). But we do choose.

    I think we fall in love with. are attracted to, want to sleep with: people. I don't think there are "kinds" of people, there are just people. And we, as people, should be able to marry who we love (among many other things, we need to be valued as humans to make our own choices) We have too many spirals of experience just in our wee short span on earth. Some people will love the same gender the whole time they are here. Some may the last 5 years. Some, smack in the middle. Who knows. Who cares? Really, I only care about who I love, not who anybody else loves. I celebrate that we all want to love! What a sweet species we are! so capable! Love! I have certainly loved women before, but I live in partnership and parentship with a man. The labels we methodically stick upon ourselves and others, the containers we create to stuff our massive beings in, the generalizations we have, the judgments we utter in our hearts. yuck. icky. poopoo. Do Unto Others. (unless others make different choices than us of course).

    It's such a mind boggling issue of Church in bed with the State, of course, a beginning of time problem that just won't.go.away. Fundamentalist Christians, Rastafarians, Muslims have EVERY RIGHT to CHOOSE to be homophobic in their religious dogma (i have my own opinion on their opinion, but that is neither here nor there) But that religious practice should not regulate State law. Ohmygod. This is what we have been facing. Judeo-Christian ideology regulating how we live as social creatures. I am nothing and yet someone else spiritual practice is placed upon me and I am expected to make those decisions based on their belief system. Scaaaary. Big time Boogieman.

    Compassion. Peace. Humility. Authenticity. Love. I'll end my rant there.

    (thanks for the space to 'brain dump')

    mb
    October 27, 2008 | Unregistered Commentermb
    mb,
    just when i think I can't love you more...you go ahead and write something like that. and so. i love. you. more.

    j.
    October 27, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterJeanette
    I so enjoy reading this blog because you make me think, you make me feel, and you make me ever so grateful for the chance to be a mother to my girls.
    October 27, 2008 | Unregistered CommenterJen

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