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Goodnight Wesley, sleep tight...

…I'll most likely kill you in the morning.

The chosen course of action in flickrgate: deferral. It's Ben's five month (a.k.a. two month) birthday today, after all — and I can't quit photo sharing pre-portrait. And Evan's hair is getting scruffy again. And then there's Halloween.

All I'd hoped for from you was a chorus of familiar confusion because I know, as you do, that there aren't any easy answers. Aside from taking the usual precautions we have safety in numbers, in sheer volume, in each individual one of us being needles in the biggest haystack the world has ever seen.

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I'm so humbled, so proud to have readers like you. You teach me with your eloquence and thoughtfulness and wit, and the grace of interaction you have with each other. I absorb every single comment, see who you are, feel thankful and honoured for every one of you.

On a recent post (update: two recent posts) my troll-free stretch was broken. This space was a factory proud of its safety record, with the gate sign to prove it: 255 NUMBNUT-FREE POSTS SINCE 2004 AND COUNTING.

We all sit together laughing and crying and sharing and listening, sometimes drinking piping hot tea, sometimes something stronger, in front of a crackling fire by the sea. Then some pitifully transparent, frustrated soul kicks in the front door and insults you, and then me, in my space, my house, on the same pages that capture the memory of my son.

I don't mind debate. I've been so invigorated by it here, and you've often made me change my mind or point of view. But I haven't got the patience for me or anyone else to be verbally abused, drive-by-style, by those who can only express disagreement — lacking coherent, sensible words — with nastiness.

Here's the policy. If anyone like that shows up here again, we respond with deafening silence. We are an unpokeable bear. Nothing they say would ever upset me, so don't let it upset you. The only required response is chirping crickets and tumbleweeds and a lone voice whispering, Did you guys hear something? I thought I heard a squeak, but I don't speak numbnut so I can't tell for sure.

And we carry on, and they slink away in search of more infestable shores.

Can whoever goes out past the shed next grab some kindling, and bring in another plate of whoopie pies from the kitchen? I need me some cream cheese icing, twinskin schminskin, and I don't think I'm the only one.

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I can't seem to string together two coherent thoughts for Ben on his fifth month. I'm shaken, as I always am on the eve of the day they were born, feeling like I've been wearing my skin inside out all day long.

Justin's 95-year-old great aunt gave us an antique mirror and I stood with Ben inside of it, pulling faces. Then in the shaded murk of the old glass I was holding Liam, darker than his brother.

Sometimes I want to be haunted, and sometimes not.


Posted on Friday, October 5, 2007 by Registered Commentersweetsalty kate in | Comments55 Comments

Reader Comments (55)

happy fifth month to Ben. (and, sorry, I responded too quick - before I read this. But, yes, silence is best)
October 5, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterRebecca James
i'm with you on this one, kate. although i'm not always a fan of the behaviour-modification approach to things (reinforce good behaviour! ignore bad behaviour!) i think that *some* people's reactionary responses do not warrant even a blink.

especially if they can't share what they think without being insulting, hyperbolous (is that a word?!), overly general, & using profanity.

come on, people.
October 5, 2007 | Unregistered Commenterkristi
You made me smile with the title - one of my favorite movies - we quote it quite often around here.

Hugs to you and your loved ones - and happy birthday sweet ben!



October 5, 2007 | Unregistered Commentertanya
i love you! and your writing. from the other side of canada, in Crescent Beach. My second son, Callum is four months old today. Love to Ben and Liam.
October 5, 2007 | Unregistered Commenterlindsayc
So let it be written.So let it be done.

*semi-evil little snicker*
October 5, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterLuAnn
Yeah, my standard response for trolls is to simply delete and ignore. I really pissed one off once for repeatedly deleting his comments. He was so frustrated he couldn't get a rise out of me that he finally went away.

And blessings to Ben for spending five months with you all. Kisses on his soft, downy, sniffable head.
October 5, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterElaine
It's so funny, Kate: I am fiercely protective over you and your website, as if you were my oldest and dearest life-long friend. Whatever you say goes, sister. But I swear, when I read a crappy comment like a few you've received in your comments, my hackles go up and I want to speak more than my mind in your defense. You are loved, so respected, and admired. * Ben is so, so cute; he's getting really big and has such a beautiful, expressionful face. You must love every waking moment of the day with him. * (Hugs) regarding your Liam-thoughts; how present he must be. A great gift, that he has such a strong soul and you are such a receiving Mama. But indeed, I can imagine it gets emotional at times. Eves of birthdays, even the monthly ones - especially within the first year - really affect me too. Have a good weekend...
October 5, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterJoanna
Elaine - thanks - for some reason I had some objection to deleting comments, like it would somehow imply that I wasn't okay with anything but agreeable words, which isn't the case.

I've never had to do it before. But it was earned, so it's done. You just gave me a needed nudge.

October 5, 2007 | Unregistered Commentersweetsalty kate
You are surely taking the right approach. It does no good to feed the trolls. I also delete and ban on rare but necessary occasions. I am all for debate, but I draw the line when I am accosted at my own "home."
October 5, 2007 | Unregistered Commenterradical mama
Ben is positively edible! And I mean that in the best possible way, of course. I just love the photo of him and Evan, with the elder boy holding the ankle of the younger. Too poignant.

Though I'm drinking something stronger than tea tonight, and though my natural inclination is to poke out the eyes of those who dare a drive-by sniping - here of all places! - I will refrain.

Just the sound of crickets.
October 5, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterAlison (in OH)
"We are an unpokeable bear". Maybe that should be your tag line :)
October 5, 2007 | Unregistered Commenterkim
Happy 5th month sweet baby Ben!

I concur, delete and ignore. It isn't censoring conversation, it's removing the unnecessary.
October 5, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterNancy
Happy Birthday Sweet Ben!! I love the new pictures. Could he be any more precious?

Say no to trolls. :)



October 5, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterWendy
I read your previous post, and don't have any easy answers either. But I'm delighted that you're going to keep posting photos. And I have always been a fan of deleting offensive comments. There are an astonishing number of really creepy people out there, but I, too, feel like I'm in a cozy kitchen drinking tea and swapping stories with my blog circle, and would hate to lose that.
October 5, 2007 | Unregistered Commenterlauren
happy birthday, Ben!

selfishly, i'm glad to note that your flickr stream is still open because i absolutely love your shots and being able to see what gorgeous darlings your children are.

with regards to the trolls, on one hand i totally understand your hesitation in deleting the offending comment, but when someone crosses that line - and often times, i'm not entirely sure where the line is 'til it's been crossed - i won't hesitate to remove what they said.

and on a completely unrelated note, back when i first found your blog, i remember reading all of your archives - bliss, really, like eating the absolute most delicious chocolate truffle and having the dust puff into your mouth, then feeling the chocolate slowly melt into your tongue and feel, smell and taste all the different textures and flavours at once, your writing is amazing - anyway, back to my original thought, i remember reading about your love affair with Vancouver and couldn't help but think of you and finally understand what you were talking of when i was there two weeks ago. it's an amazing city and i fell in love with it almost instantly. i hope you and your family have many happy returns. :)
October 5, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterAlieMalie
i was going to say I like your style kate and that the silent treatment is brillaint. and then i read the lines about the mirror and ben and liam and now i'm writing to say, I am speechless.

October 5, 2007 | Unregistered Commentertracey
dear dread pirate inglis,

we are grateful for the reprieve, because that baby face grows more beautiful - and more delicate and old soul - every time we get to peer at it.

haunted in the mirror...you know, just for a moment, i envy that a little. and then, understanding well that desire NOT to be haunted, too, i fill with pity and think "how hard, how doubly heartbreaking." both are true, i think. and the telling of it beautiful.

unpokeably yours.
October 6, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterBon
yes happy birthday dear Ben, his eyes are so big with expression, a little warrior these past 5 months.

most beautiful shot of Evan reading by the light of Liam. breathtaking
October 6, 2007 | Unregistered Commenterkristin
your children are beautiful.

and i say delete, delete.
October 6, 2007 | Unregistered Commenterslouching mom
"The CLIFFS of INSANITY!"

Had to say it.

Delete that shit, without a doubt. It is unnecessary banter. Your tactic is correct. Ignore. The excitement and drive for people like this is the volatile reactions they receive.

I often wonder about said people. What made them this way? Lack of love, affection? Chemical imbalance? Then, I feel supremely fortunate for my life, my family.



October 6, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterHMFT
I will gladly grab that kindling, and may I offer warm peach cobbler with vanilla cream? I'm making loads these days and am happy to share. Thank you so, so much for inviting us to your "house" and letting us have a seat at the table....

Love to you and your family!

October 6, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterJessica
I hadn't seen that post or the offensive comment but I'm sorry you had to endure a troll.

Happy 5 month birthday to your Ben. Wishing all of you a good Thanksgiving holiday.
October 6, 2007 | Unregistered Commenterann adams
Debate is one thing; rampant rudeness is another. I would probably lean towards deleting, too. Why even give trolls screen space? They just stink up the joint.





October 6, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterJanet
I agree with the deleting and "unpokeable bear" business. You invite us in, so we should be polite. Otherwise, aren't we more like home-invasion-style robbers, busting in and making the whole situation awful?

I've gone to Flickr and removed all my tags from my photos (to hinder editors at unscrupulous sites) and again made all my kids photos for friends and family only. When I have time I intend to make the occasional photo that doesn't show a face public. Otherwise, tell me you want to see them. Kind of like not letting strangers touch them in the grocery store.

Also, for the people who use their blogs as a way to communicate with distant family so want to leave everything public: I have a blog and then we have a private Yahoo group. I freely allow kids' photos in the Yahoo group for the grandparents to see and we discuss all sorts of medical things that I think my son may someday be glad that I didn't share with the public. On the blog I use aliases and don't discuss the medical stuff except in the most general of terms. The grandparents are happy and I feel that my kids are safe.

Mostly. If there was only some way to sniff out these people in real life! Like a carbon monoxide detector that we could clip to our kids' clothing that would alert us when some undesirable person was near them.
October 6, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterKYouell
I hate trolls.

Kate, I've had you on my mind a lot lately. A friend's daughter-in-law is 18 weeks pregnant with twins suffering from twin to twin transfusion syndrome. They're scared as hell.

Happy birthday, Ben, you little miracle, you.
October 6, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterLawyerMama
But is the troll a ROUS? that is the ultimate question?

I'll delete shit, unless it amuses me on some level. otherwise, good bye.
October 6, 2007 | Unregistered Commenterthordora
I was all excited at the title of this post too and came in here prepared to spout non-sequitor quotes left, right and centre. Alas, I've been beaten to the punch! My beloved husband has just left me at home for four days, taking our two kiddies to their grandparents for a holiday. It's when he abandons me like this that I'm most aware he loves me. :)

I run a fairly large community website and I'm aware of the many classifications of troll that are out there, and I've found that of all the ways I have tried dealing with them, it always ends in banning their IP. I don't like deleting either because it seems a bit like messing with history, but the community members, as they are here, are mature enough to avoid the bear-pokery.

I wrestle with the flickr issue all the time. I adore my children (as we all do, of course) and love being able to share moments with friends around the world, something that's hard to do without blogging or sending large unwieldy emails. I've just changed my security settings as a precaution, but I won't stop publishing them to my blog. Fortunately, we live in a small remote country which (knock on wood) is relatively safe.

And lastly (this is a real conglomeration comment!) happy 5 months Ben! And love to Liam.
October 6, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterTracy
ok,so where do I begin. First of all Kate, I've never posted on here before. I just read and enjoy. I think you are a very strong person and a beautiful writer and it's nice that people like me can enjoy your beauty. I met you briefly through passing awhile ago. I will always remember you for your knowledge and your willingness to shine.
October 6, 2007 | Unregistered Commentersassy
i'm just not on subject at all because i'm to excited about baby photos. i love when you post the two together. do we ever get a family portrait?
October 6, 2007 | Unregistered Commenterwilddreemer
also...i just love those big eyes...its like they are looking right at me asking me the meaning of the world
October 6, 2007 | Unregistered Commenterwilddreemer
Happy Birthday Ben! He is so beautiful, Kate!

If I had a delete button, I would have used it for you earlier. I'm sorry there are hateful people in our world. How do we teach our children to deal with such people...oh yeah..the unpokeable bear!

Cheers to you and your beautiful family (not drinking tea tonight)!
October 6, 2007 | Unregistered Commenterashley in SC
I'm sitting here being a bear, but, boy, is it hard! Ben and Evan are such beautiful boys and I'm so glad they're so happy and healthy!
October 6, 2007 | Unregistered Commentermandy
You? And your family? You're so beautiful. Inside and out. As you know, we're all behind you. Even though you can't always feel us, we're there nonetheless.

By the way? I love that movie. Princess Bride is one of my top movies of all time. Thank you for reminding me of it.
October 6, 2007 | Unregistered Commenter...BeccaLynn
HMFT: beautifully put, the fortunate bit.

"No more rhyming, AND I MEAN IT!""Anybody want a peanut?"

Sassy: apologies for the slight edit, as you'd referred to That Which Must Not Be Named, the whole of which has fallen off the back of the truck. :)

LawyerMama, god, 18 weeks... that is scary. Damn TTTS, random sniper. I'm so, so sorry your friends have this news, and I'm thinking of them tonight.

October 6, 2007 | Unregistered Commentersweetsalty kate
Silence is golden. Agreed.

Happy birthday to the unpokeable cub!
October 6, 2007 | Unregistered Commenterallison
How I got here I haven't a clue, maybe Dutch but I can't remember.

I read some of your posts and cried while I read them.

I'm sorry you lost Liam but what you wrote about his leaving was beautiful and touched my heart. Thank you for sharing that.
October 6, 2007 | Unregistered Commenterdeb
One of the blogs I read regularly, disappeared, this week. She didn't say goodbye. She didn't give any hint to her leaving. She just erased her blog and evaporated into the blogosphere. I haven't been able to remove her link from my blogroll. I think some sad puppy part of me is sitting at the window, hoping she'll return.If you do decide to leave us, and that's your choice, will you at least turn around and give us one last glance.

Happy Birthday, Baby Ben.
October 7, 2007 | Unregistered Commenteremily
I hope that as memories sluice through the present, appearing in mirrors and floating on the passing breeze, you always have the buoyancy of your love for and from your boys to balance you.
October 7, 2007 | Unregistered Commenteramanda
Happy birthday to Ben.

And deleting and ignoring are beautiful things. They don't deserve our attention or bandwidth.
October 7, 2007 | Unregistered Commentercanape
Did you say kindling? I'm bringing a truck-full, cuz someone mentioned cobbler. I'm comin' right over.
October 7, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterAlly
Happy 5th month Ben! And I like the idea of not responding to the troll (i.e. the unpokeable bear). It seems somehow more powerful to ignore the nastiness.
October 8, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterAndrea
All right, I'll try. Silence is golden, but when someone attacks you? Oh, goodness, that's just not ok. I think reason and silence fall right out the window and I have some old, pent-up Xena fantasies I feel I have to live out by lashing out at trolls.

But, in better, happy, news, a most wonderful five/two month birthday to Mr. Ben!
October 8, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterAurelia
Happy 5th month to Ben!

Of all the blogs I read, yours would be the last place I thought a troll might show up. I agree, ignore them like a pesky fly buzzing around your sweet picnic. Trolls want attention and if they don't get it, they move on to somewhere else.

And The Princess Bride is our favorite movie to quote!
October 8, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterSheila / Kiki36
Happy 5month birthday Ben!
October 8, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterMimipz5wjj
well, we just waved bye-bye to gramma and grampa, so i missed all the hullaballoo, but will be happy to ignore trolls along with everyone else.

happiest of birthdays to the wonderboys. how lucky we are that you continue to share your amazing pix of your family. as cautious as i am, i'd miss them, too.
October 8, 2007 | Unregistered Commenterpnuts mama
trolls suck.

the princess bride rules.

pictures of your kids are impossible not to share.

all facts of life...yes?
October 8, 2007 | Unregistered Commentererin
ok, you're a fan of lotr and the princess bride?! i think we could be friends in real life! damn good taste, miss. if you like moulin rouge, too, then i'd invite you all over for a movie marathon...oh, if you didn't live on the opposite side of the continent...

happy 5th month to ben! he really is a miracle, i'm amazed seeing him grow through your pictures. he is scrumptious.

and your comments about the mirror, so beautiful and honest.
October 8, 2007 | Unregistered Commentersarah
I will be the unpokeable bear from now on. I'm taking that feeling with me when I read Sweet Juniper too. Thanks Kate!
October 9, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterKeira
Happy Birthday Ben!



October 9, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterRobin
You are amazing. Kind, gentle, thoughtful, reflective...I think I read not only because it's beautiful but because I'm hoping you rub off on me.

Thank you.

Now pass that Whoopie Pie says the pregnant chick!
October 9, 2007 | Unregistered CommenterLynn

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